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General Chat => Tech Talk => Topic started by: mj86 on March 21, 2013, 03:33:21 PM

Title: electrical
Post by: mj86 on March 21, 2013, 03:33:21 PM
Need some help. I'm putting a winch and 4-6 lights on the comanche. I'm thinking about putting a stand alone system with a deep csell battery. Does anyone have an idea on what size syliniod (spelling may not be right)I would need?
Title: Re: electrical
Post by: J's Jeep on March 21, 2013, 06:02:31 PM
Wish I could help you Sid.  I am about to install a winch as well and not sure of the best way to hook it up.
Title: Re: electrical
Post by: mj86 on March 21, 2013, 09:01:32 PM
I was told if u don't have to hook it up to your regular system, that's better.
Title: Re: electrical
Post by: gogolen on March 21, 2013, 09:44:19 PM
Who the hell told you that?????? Without input from the alternator you'll kill even the biggest battery in about 10 seconds running a winch under load.
Title: Re: electrical
Post by: Paul Hittie on March 22, 2013, 05:17:01 AM
I have run winches and a big gay light bar over the from a single battery system for years.  Even a non deep cell battery (used a standard Walmart auto battery for a while)

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Title: Re: electrical
Post by: mj86 on March 22, 2013, 10:18:28 AM
I'm new to all of this, so I just ask people who "I think might know". I'm putting this out there to verify what I have been told. A deep cell battery(optima yellow top) w/ a connecter block or silenoid or something. And that this would be sufficient to run the winch and lights, when needed. This would be easier than a new alternator to charge the regular battery and a second. Just throwing this out there to see if this sounds correct. This build is on a shoestring budget, so if there is a way to save that's me. Thanks for all the help.

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MJ86
Title: Re: electrical
Post by: gogolen on March 22, 2013, 11:57:38 AM
Just get a good battery and hook it up, you'll be fine.  A good battery is more than capable of running extra lights and a winch.
Title: Re: electrical
Post by: mj86 on March 22, 2013, 01:07:44 PM
So a good battery, is there a certain amp I should be getting? The winch is 12,000lb and about 200watts of lights. Just put in the place on my current battery ?
Title: Re: electrical
Post by: StingRay66 on March 22, 2013, 01:48:06 PM
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f8/dual-battery-isolated-batteries-winch-welding-1231432/

Here's a link to the Jeep Forum page with a diagram maybe it will help you. One of the guys that was with Ryan and I on the Saturday part of the Grayling trip told me to put a very heave gaug wire from the alt. to the battery so it can charge better too.
Title: Re: electrical
Post by: gogolen on March 22, 2013, 02:14:31 PM
Quote from: mj86 on March 22, 2013, 01:07:44 PM
So a good battery, is there a certain amp I should be getting? The winch is 12,000lb and about 200watts of lights. Just put in the place on my current battery ?

Get one with the highest Ah (amp hours) and reserve capacity.  AGM batteries seem to be the ticket as of late.  I'd look into the Die Hard series of AGMs. They have a little higher Ah and reserve capacity than the optimas for a cheaper price, they just don't look as cool.
Title: Re: electrical
Post by: mj86 on March 22, 2013, 06:55:59 PM
I have 90 amp alternator, will that be sufficient?
Title: Re: electrical
Post by: gogolen on March 22, 2013, 08:47:12 PM
That's all I run. Seems to be sufficient for my 2000 watt stereo, winch, kc lights, rigid leds, running lights, cb, and cell phone.
Title: Re: electrical
Post by: NewRide on March 23, 2013, 12:23:21 AM
I have a red top battery winch , 2 running lights and 2 "off road " lights I converted to high/low beams ... I'm running my OEM alt and have been doing fine with them for about 6 years ... Just saying ... Oh and my stereo and 150 watt speakers lol
Title: Re: electrical
Post by: mj86 on March 23, 2013, 07:52:07 AM
Thanks to all, I'm a novice to all this. I just want to make sure doing one thing doesn't cause something else to go out.
Getting close to doing this so any other advise is welcome.
Thanks again
MJ86
Title: Re: electrical
Post by: NewRide on March 23, 2013, 02:29:34 PM
Now that doesn't mean one thing wont cause another thing to go wrong .. It is a Jeep LOL ... But thats the fun of it all !
Title: Re: electrical
Post by: Paul Hittie on March 25, 2013, 07:20:14 AM
Diehard Platinum (AGM) was what I finally replaced my long run of WalMart batteries with.  Works like a charm.

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Title: Re: electrical
Post by: jeepfan1974 on March 26, 2013, 07:54:26 PM
I wouldn't do anything but maybe replace your battery I didn't even do that when I installed my winch and 4 kc's on the yj and I haven't done it on he jk either they both where fine
Title: Re: electrical
Post by: LPM606 on March 26, 2013, 08:24:14 PM
There is "Battery Torture Test" article in the March 2013 JP Magazine.  You Can see the article here:

www.jpmagazine.com/battery_bashing_extras

I am at four years on my original battery and, though I've only had the winch for the last year, I've had no problems so far... I was thinking of upgrading to the optima yellow top when it is time for a new battery, but after reading the above listed article, I will probably go with the Die Hard Platinum - it actually out performed the optima on most of the tests, listed as $20 cheaper, and has a 48 month free replacement warranty and 100 month pro-rated limited warranty! (As opposed to 3 year warranty on the optima)